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I don't treat the files on my ipod as "audiophile" quality (so I can't 
vouch how they sound over anything other than the ipod, but I've noticed 
that when I encode streaming radio (WABE's Jazz Classics, My Word) to 
mp4 format (aka AAC) with FAAC instead to MP3 via lame -- with default 
command line arguments, the resulting file sounds just as good and is 
about half the size as lame's mp3 file.

Open source download for FAAC at: <a  rel="nofollow" href="http://www.audiocoding.com/";>http://www.audiocoding.com/</a>

Steve

Dow Hurst wrote:

&gt; maybe you should check this link out.  Long encoding times are 
&gt; required from what I've read but the quality stays good and the size 
&gt; reduction is good.  I can't find a clear download of an audio encoder 
&gt; here but this was the source of an encoder called mp3enc, I think.
&gt;
&gt; <a  rel="nofollow" href="http://www.iis.fraunhofer.de/amm/legal/index.html";>http://www.iis.fraunhofer.de/amm/legal/index.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; Look in the downloads section too.
&gt; Dow
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Christopher Fowler wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 11:01, Randy Ramsdell wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;  
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; In regards to file size:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I don't think you can change the file size unless you keep dropping the
&gt;&gt;&gt; quality.
&gt;&gt;&gt;   
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Correct.  Normally I use mp3enc but I have no clue where that program is
&gt;&gt; anymore.  I'm now forced to use lame.  For most music in my collection
&gt;&gt; 128 ABR is fine.  ABR s better than CBR.  However for &quot;Echos The best of
&gt;&gt; Pink Floyd&quot; that will be ABR 192 or 256 :).  I'm not sure what limit
&gt;&gt; there is on the iPod with bitrate.  I do know that on much older devices
&gt;&gt; of mine 128 was the limit.  After that the sound would basically
&gt;&gt; hiccup.  I assume the chip inside did not have the power for those
&gt;&gt; higher qualities.
&gt;&gt;
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