What if my hypothesis regarding Snowden is correct?

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-------- Original message --------From: Steve Kinney <admin at pilobilus.net> Date: 6/18/17  1:24 PM  (GMT-08:00) To:  Cc: cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: What if my hypothesis regarding Snowden is correct? 


On 06/18/2017 04:18 PM, Wilfred L. Guerin wrote:
> "Snowed-In @ Moskow" "David Miranda Writes" "Manning the Deck" FBI CI
> 101. Same DIA + FBI unit managed and papered those stupid staged events
> and hundreds more. "Reality Winner"??? 

> To date I have seen no indications that > Manning was set up.
Adrian Llamo set him up. A database hacker with a debt to credit card companies as restitution for a hack bust
Rr
  In terms of
impact, Snowden and (especially) Winner could be said to have advanced
IC agendas and objectives.  Manning not so much:  Those leaks caused
numerous diplomatic incidents with the U.S. a clear loser, and got U.S.
forces kicked out of Iraq for quite a while.

The timing of the PRISM release to remove Manning's trial from the news
is also an indicator of sorts.

:o)



> On Sunday, June 18, 2017, Steve Kinney <admin at pilobilus.net
> <mailto:admin at pilobilus.net>> wrote:
> 
>Â Â Â Â  On 06/18/2017 02:24 AM, Ryan Carboni wrote:
> 
>Â Â Â Â  > The hypothesis being that Snowden is at least a triple agent. Ali
>Â Â Â Â  > Mohammed provided material support to Al Qaeda, but that was
>Â Â Â Â  because he
>Â Â Â Â  > betrayed both the Army and Al Qaeda for the CIA. His sentencing
>Â Â Â Â  has been
>Â Â Â Â  > on hold for a long time, and it is interesting no one asks questions
>Â Â Â Â  > about it.
> 
>Â Â Â Â  My guess is that Snowden was an unwitting agent, spotted early by the
>     insider threat program and selected for use in a limited hangout.  If
>Â Â Â Â  so, he was exposed to scripted events in the workplace to draw his
>Â Â Â Â  attention to specific programs, and given e-z access to selected
>     documents related to those programs.  In the network age, censorship
>Â Â Â Â  ranges from difficult to impossible depending on the context; getting
>Â Â Â Â  ahead of an adversary and dominating the messaging on a given topic has
>     gained a new importance.  I think the Snowden Affair may be an example.
> 
>Â Â Â Â  Glenn Greenwald's behavior, selecting a few of Snowden's documents to
>     publish and burying the rest, is consistent with this model.  So too is
>Â Â Â Â  his initiative in pushing the publication date of the (partially
>Â Â Â Â  falsified) PRISM pages back to coincide with the first day of the
>Â Â Â Â  Manning trial, knocking it all the way out of the news.
> 
>Â Â Â Â  The huge controversy following the release of the first few Snowden
>     documents produced what results?  It seems that the intel guys won every
>Â Â Â Â  engagement, even setting a precedent that senior U.S. intelligence
>Â Â Â Â  officials are allowed to lie to Congressional committees under oath with
>     no penalty of any kind.  The way it all went down suggests to me that
>Â Â Â Â  the intel guise had a long lead time to select and prepare for specific
>Â Â Â Â  challenges.
> 
>Â Â Â Â  > Snowden's revelations increased the amount of encryption.
> 
>Â Â Â Â  The only place I saw that happen was a significant bump in the use of
>     SSL by a wider range of website operators.  Given that the SSL key
>Â Â Â Â  signing protocol is deeply flawed and the NSA is uniquely well
>Â Â Â Â  positioned to conduct MITM attacks negating that particular form of
>     encryption, no harm done.  The result is an increase in end users'
>Â Â Â Â  "false sense of" security - and a small net gain in "national security"
>Â Â Â Â  in the sense of making access to network traffic a little harder for
>Â Â Â Â  foreign intel and private sector criminal enterprises.
> 
>Â Â Â Â  A casual observer might believe that the Snowden docs caused significant
>Â Â Â Â  harm to U.S. interests, most notably when it was revealed the Angela
>Â Â Â Â  Merkel's phones were tapped - but those particular documents came from
>Â Â Â Â  an as yet unknown source, probably located in Germany.
> 
>     I don't "believe" a word of the above analysis.  But I do consider it
>Â Â Â Â  more likely than the alternatives I have seen.
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