change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[jdb10987 at yahoo.com (jim bell)]

 From: Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net>
>For those so inclined, to sign or to discuss.

>Anyone, from any "country" can "sign" this.

>https://www.change.org/p/president-of-the-united-states-declare-antifa-a-terrorist-organization
A few days ago, wanting to understand what people REALLY mean when they say, "anti-fascist", I read a few articles on Wikipedia.  Apparently, "anti-fascist" has become a term-of-art that isn't quite the same meaning as "opposing fascism".   For instance, on the article  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Anti-fascism   �   

"I disagree. There is no such thing as "liberal anti-fascism", the term anti-fascism has its roots in the communist movement and only communists can be described as anti-fascists. The "fascist" part doesn't really mean fascism in the sense understood by westerners, the "anti-fascists" used it to refer to all non-communists, for instance the official name of the Berlin Wall was the "Anti-Fascist Protection Wall". Also see below for a link to the most recent Verfassungsschutzbericht on "anti-fascism". TYRXrus (talk) 22:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)"

It's hard to grasp what the "anti-fascists" are actually opposed to. Â I think they are doing what the quote above suggests, giving "fascism" an extremely broad and unrealistic usage: Â Anybody they don't like at the moment becomes a "fascist".One major motivation in this process is to be able to lump ordinary people (primarily conservatives) with various bad examples of "fascists" from the past. Â In the same way, "Socialists" probably don't want to get lumped in with "Communists", but at least they have a different word for their ideas. Â 

I think Razer, who was completely unwilling to define the difference between a mere conservative, and a "fascist", is displaying the same kind of obscure inconsistency in meaning. Â 
             Jim Bell




   
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