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On 09/21/2016 06:44 PM, John Newman wrote:


> NLP is widely discredited pseudo-science crap.


It works quite well on simple minded people. AKA "Useful Idiots".

Rr

> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:36:53PM -0300, juan wrote:
>>> The skills of illusion, and "mentalism" are quite real.. and if you
>>> watch more of his stuff, especially the longer videos or full
>>> episodes where he breaks down the hows and whys of it working,
>>> perhaps you'll be less likely to say its fake. It's easy to dismiss a
>>> magic trick as "camera edits" when you just have a 3 minute video.
>>> It's a bit harder when the magician explains the whole thing to you.
>>
>>
>> 	Magic tricks don't have much to do with this. Magic tricks rely
>> 	on exploiting shortcomings of perception, "the hand is quicker
>> 	than the eye", that sort of thing. But indeed nobody believes
>> 	that those magic tricks are 'real' magic. If anything they prove
>> 	that people are rational and know that magicians can't make
>> 	rabbits dissapear - they know it's 'illusion'.
>> 	
>>
>> 	If on the other hand Derren is 'staging' the jewelry store
>> 	video, that means he and the guy at the shop are playing a
>> 	part and the video isn't even 'illusion', it's outright fake.
>>
> 
> This guy had a show in the UK for a while.. on one of his specials
> he "programmed" 4 people to perform armed robberies without being
> directly told to, supposedly using visual cues and a whole bunch
> of other total NLP bullshit. Suffice it to say I think the thing
> is a total fucking fake. I would have no problem with Darren if he
> just claimed to be an illusionist like David Copperfield and performed
> tricks, but he tries to act like James Randi, and like all his shit
> is on the level - he really convinced X to do Y using psychological
> methods...
> 
> The heist episode I mentioned is particularly preposterous.
> 
> Link to the full episode for anyone who wants to waste 45mins:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaHbACoYNSA
> 
> 
>>> He uses a lot of techniques, but "neuro-linguistic programming" (NLP)
>>> is the bread-and-butter.
> 
> NLP is widely discredited pseudo-science crap. 
> 
> http://skepdic.com/neurolin.html
> 
> "..It seems that NLP develops models which can't be verified,
> from which it develops techniques which may have nothing to do with
> either the models or the sources of the models. NLP makes claims
> about thinking and perception which do not seem to be supported by
> neuroscience.."
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming
> 
> "..There is no scientific evidence supporting the claims made by
> NLP advocates and it has been discredited as a pseudoscience by
> experts.."
> 
> 
> John
>