Why Cypherpunks Shouldn't Vote for the system of their own oppression

[juan.g71 at gmail.com (juan)]

On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 18:30:36 +0000 (UTC)
jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm not going to be drawn into Juan's nonsense.         Jim Bell


	Translation : you can't counter a single thing I said =)

	So again, anybody who believes in the 'authority' of the state
	is NOT a libertarian. Full stop.





> 
>       From: juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com>
>  To: cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org 
>  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 10:58 AM
>  Subject: Re: Why Cypherpunks Shouldn't Vote for the system of their
> own oppression 
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 17:48:57 +0000 (UTC)
> jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> >Â  From: Razer <rayzer at riseup.net>
> > The issue I'm having reading this thread about the US Erections is
> > this list is ostensibly Anarchist and I don't understand why it's
> > infested almost exclusively by Libertarians. Libertarians CANNOT be
> > Anarchist ... because they believe in government. Small, but they
> > BELIEVE that the US political system actually works in the interest
> > of the people, or it can be made so.
> > 
> > Not exactly, There are "anarchist libertarians" and "minarchist
> > libertarians". Â 
> 
> 
> Â Â Â  No. So called 'minarchist' 'libertarians' are just statists,
> Â Â Â  not libertarians. They believe in murdering anyone who doesn't
> Â Â Â  obey the Holy State.
> 
> 
> >I was one of the latter, before 1995 when I
> > discovered/invented my AP system. Â 
> 
> 
> Â Â Â  So you were a plain old statist who didn't study libertarian
> Â Â Â  philosophy well enough. 
> 
> 
> > Afterwards, I realized not only
> > that having no government was possible, it was essentially
> > inevitable. 
> 
> Â Â Â  That is not true. Your AP system isn't going to magically get
> Â Â Â  rid of government. There's absolutely no reason why it must
> Â Â Â  'inevitable' lead to anarchy. 
> 
> 
> Â Â Â  To sum up : actual and consistent libertarians existed way
> Â Â Â  before 'assasination politics'. Consistent libertarianism has
> Â Â Â  nothing to do with utilitarian and or 'practical'
> Â Â Â  considerations. 
> 
> 
> > Note: Â It is, strictly speaking, incorrect to say:
> > Â "Libertarians CANNOT be Anarchist ...because they believe in
> > government."Libertarians believe in a certain set of limits to
> > people's relationships and interactions with other people. Â A
> > Libertarian may believe that a small government is tolerable, and
> > maybe still necessary; other libertarians may believe that a stable
> > anarchy is possible.  (As I now do.) Jim Bell  
> 
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