FWIW - On my distro I can still install syslog-ng and disable the journald stuff. I'll have to figure it out eventually, but not yet. -jt >>> leam hall via Ale <ale at ale.org> 2/17/2018 4:48 PM >>> I write this at home on a CentOS 6 box using Firefox and GMail. When things break I can cat the logs and vi the config files if I need to.