> I want to learn to tie a bowline on a line under tension! E-Mail bruce at onrope1.com http://www.onrope1.com He taught me a lot of what little I know, And that little I know says: That ain't possible.. But you could do a double-bowline... or a butterfly.. or.. Warning: Taking an anal gearhead Linux geek into the deep digression of ropes, rigging, caving, etc.. is a bad digression.