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I haven't missed it, I've just focused on the real issue. ;-)

> Your argument is that to the user, the data is the only thing
> that matters.  

BINGO!

> My argument is that the user has (or, in reality, should
> have) an obligation as a "net citizen" to properly secure their box and
> prevent the spread of malware.

The are not mutually exclusive.  User data can be destroyed via root or
non-root.  Net citizenship is a whole other discussion, and not really
even a user one.  Everyday people (the ones still needing to adopt
Linux) with computers don't think of themselves as net citizens.

> In your view, a user can become infected with malware that turns their
> box into a spam relay, a drone in a distributed botnet, a repository for
> illegal porn or software, but as long as the user's home directory is
> untouched none of that matters.  Users can remain blissfully unaware of
> how their computers are used for nefarious purposes, because their data
> is left alone.

You are mixing apples w/ oranges and producing a fruity argument. ;-)

> 
> > > This is also fact.
> > 
> > Yes, but not one that applies.
> 
> Finally, you admit that the spread of malware is made more difficult as
> non-root.  

No.  Malware is spread via non-root means every second. i.e. SPAM,
phishing scams, viruses.  None of those require "root".

> At least that's something.  I would argue that it does apply,
> for the reasons I gave above.  Since you don't seem to care what your
> computer does, or how it is used, as long as your home directory is left
> alone, can I have an account on your box? ;-)

;-) so with a user account you think you can cause havoc?  Who's
argument are you advocating?

-Jim P.







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