[no subject]

Hasn't he already?  He says he does run as root, and has been perfectly
safe for some time.  Everyone else says that is bad.  He and I say it
isn't universally bad, and no one has come forth with a reason that has
any implications that don't apply to normal users with the exceptions of
formatting a partition or "rm -rf /".  Those are two things that Drew
and I both believe are insignificant to the loss/risk of user data in a
partition/directory that the user (and any process they run) has full
and complete (including "rm -rf") capabilities.  Honestly using the
terms "users" and "root" in this discussion is ridiculous, as any user
can have a UID equal to zero, the account named "root" can be renamed to
"toor" (or whatever) and that account can have it's UID changed to >
1000.  The issue surrounds "god-like" mode, and frankly I find having
full access nice, easy, and yes still completely safe.  YMMV.

-Jim P.

> 
> And, you still think this is all about "hackers".  It's not.  It never was.

;-)  It's amazing how a thread can evolve.

> All of this nonsense about "assumptions" is a red herring.  Honestly: next 
> you'll be saying "but I could go out and buy a new machine, and restore off
> a backup, and so you it was SAFE for me to run as root!".  

I've seen many a non-root user need to replace hardware, do backups, buy
new machines, etc.  How are those items a symptom of running as root?

-Jim P.




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