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This was an account of my own experience, not a view in general. I was
a Cisco monkey for several years before I came across things that are
much better and they worked for me very well...

_Raju


On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:33:27 -0500, Jonathan Rickman <jrickman at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:02:34 -0500, M Raju <protocoljunkie at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >From my experience, the reason big companies prefer Cisco, Netscreen,
> > Checkpoint, etc also heavily depends on politics (sale reps providing
> > access to that nice golf trip to your pointy-haired managers) which
> > acts as a deciding factor over technical merit of a particular
> > solution.
> 
> Now that you've finished insulting several of us, would you care to
> detail your experience in large enterprise environments so that we can
> all appreciate the frame of reference from which you speak? Now maybe
> I'm just an asshole (ok, so there's no maybe about it) but if you came
> in my place suggesting that we toss a PIX 515 out in favor of your
> home grown solution on a whim, you'd be out the door so fast you'd
> wonder if you had found yourself in some kind of timewarp. Now before
> you get the idea that I'm in need of some spoonfeeding session,
> understand that I've been building, deploying, and managing open
> source and commercial firewall solutions for more than 10 years now in
> environments ranging from mom n' pop shops to very large corporate and
> government sites, so I'd imagine I probably learned a few things along
> the way. One of which is that you don't toss something that works for
> a solution with pretty much identical capabilities. That said, I am
> currently setting up a solution similar to the one you describe and am
> quite pleased with it thus far. The main reason I am going the OSS
> route is because I already have some nice hardware to run it on. But
> if I already had a redundant PIX 515 setup in place, I sure wouldn't
> be throwing it out just to prove that I can read man pages or use
> google.
> 
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