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In my opinion, a brief introduction (even hasted) to open-source & LAMP (or
just AMP) is a great step forward and much better than, say, to shut our
door to new-comers to this great OSS land.

Also, it is unfair to require the lady to know all the stuff, when we don't
refuse to talk with head-hunters who don't really know our stuff (yes, yes,
it would be nice if they know) when we are looking for a job.

# -----Original Message-----
# From: ale-bounces at ale.org [<a  rel="nofollow" href="mailto:ale-bounces";>mailto:ale-bounces</a> at ale.org]On Behalf Of
# Geoffrey
# Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 3:36 PM
# To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
# Subject: Re: [ale] teaching opportunity
# 
# 
# George Carless wrote:
# &gt; Linux, and upset by the Linux community. There might well be good
# &gt; reasons for running the course on a Windows platform - say, because
# &gt; the training centre wasn't currently geared up for running Linux, or
# &gt; because some element of what they have in place for training
# &gt; currently requires Linux software.
# 
# There are acceptable solutions for teaching something on a 
# windows box, 
# say perl programming for example.  When it is stated that the 
# class is 
# LAMP, which predefines the environment, and further part of 
# the stated 
# goal was installation, windows is not an acceptable solution.
# 
# &gt; Either way, it can be useful to
# &gt; move people towards free software - PHP, MySQL, etc. - on a gradual
# &gt; basis, and it's not necessarily essential or even advisable to
# &gt; introduce people to these things on a platform that is 
# alien to them.
# 
# I would agree, in individual cases, not when the course specifies 
# installation for a LAMP environment.
# 
# &gt;  And I would suggest that the individual was likely looking for an
# &gt; instructor to set at least part of the curriculum, so while the
# &gt; description of the course may have been ambitious and perhaps
# &gt; inaccurate, this was hardly a reason for an all-out offensive.
# 
# If this was the case, she should have stated so up front.  I tried to 
# give her a couple opportunities to suggest such a possibility.
# 
# &gt; In short, I think that some of you have simply succeeded in coming
# &gt; across as rather immature elitists who would prefer an argument to a
# &gt; constructive effort to actually move people over to using free
# &gt; software.  Ms. Bell repeatedly indicated that further discussion
# &gt; could take place off-list with any interested parties, and 
# I honestly
# &gt;  cannot blame her if she didn't want to get embroiled in a flamewar
# &gt; on some frankly rather pedantic points.
# 
# I've seen my fill of 'training' companies that hook folks for 
# big bucks 
# and then don't give them anything.  My concern wasn't so much that it 
# was not being taught on a Linux box as much as the fact that 
# she did not 
# seem to have very much knowledge abou the class to start 
# with.  Further, 
# there's no way in the world anyone could cover the material 
# she outlined 
# in two days.  This borders on the edge of a scam.  Anyone paying this 
# company for this course would not get what they expected.
# 
# -- 
# Until later, Geoffrey       Registered Linux User #108567
#                              AT&amp;T Certified UNIX System 
# Programmer - 1995
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