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Mybe it was because I had my accident close to the end of the month.


On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 14:40, Greg wrote:
> I would suggest that the most obvious/simple explanation is the actual
> explanation - that traffic court is to punish those who violate traffic
> laws.  Fault (unless it's a no-fault state) must be determined because they
> who commit the crime shall pay for all expenses and need to be punished for
> justice's sake.  Having a car presently in the shop due to an idiot's
> driving I'm glad of the present system as opposed to *me* the victim having
> to go to court to prove the obvious.  In my case he lost control and skidded
> across 2 lanes and the median to hit me while I was stationary at light.
> The idiot then tried to blame it on the recent rain and slick road
> conditions rather then either saying nothing or taking responsibility for
> his actions.  Insurance companies as well as justice require a person whose
> fault caused the incident.  While in some places it is a "money making
> scheme" I would suggest that it is not that way in all places.
> 
> In this instance we have nothing more than a person who is trying to avoid
> his responsibility for causing an accident by trying to play jail house
> lawyer (lots of folks like to do this and it makes them look pretty funny
> when they go up against a real lawyer in court) and looking for a
> technicality rather than being a stand up guy and saying "It's my fault and
> I will pay the consequences - no need to cause the public further expense
> and inconvenience".  The deal to plead nolo contendre and avoid the fine was
> a hell of a good thing for the people's attorney (DA ?  in VA they are the
> "commonwealth's attorney) to offer the original poster.  That in itself
> seems to void the advice of your jaded lawyer friend.  I would advise taking
> the "gift".
> 
> IMHO I would rather the state punish the offender like it is supposed to do
> rather than plea bargain this away (a fault that has crippled the American
> justice system).  Asking for a jury trial in something so simple just shows
> the offender can't/won't 1)recognize his guilt in something *so* simple
> and/or 2) take the consequences for their actions.  They would much prefer
> to waste the justice system's time on trivial BS.
> 
> I don't know why folks try to avoid responsibility in this society.  The
> whole matter seems so cut and dried to me (and, I'm sure, to the court
> system).
> 
> Greg
> 
> -----Original Message-----
&gt; From: ale-bounces at ale.org [<a  rel="nofollow" href="mailto:ale-bounces";>mailto:ale-bounces</a> at ale.org]On Behalf Of Mike
&gt; Millson
&gt; Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:45 PM
&gt; To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
&gt; Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Court tomorrow
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 08:57, Sergio Chaves wrote:
&gt; &gt; I can  verify that.
&gt; &gt; Two years ago I was on a intersection, merging to a freeway.
&gt; &gt; The driver in front of me and myself made a complete stop waiting for
&gt; &gt; traffic to clear so we could merge.
&gt; &gt; The car in front of me &quot;took off&quot; and I followed  behind it.
&gt; &gt; The other driver *suddenly* hit the brakes thinking she would not have
&gt; &gt; enough
&gt; &gt; room/speed/etc. to complete the merge and I hit her.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; ALL of that was acknowledge by the other driver and myself in court but
&gt; &gt; it seemed that the judge did not hear a single sentence . All the Judge
&gt; &gt; kept
&gt; &gt; saying was that I should have (a) waited for the other driver to complete
&gt; &gt; the merge or (b) given more distance between the cars.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The hammer came down hard; my checking account got $150.00 poorer,
&gt; &gt; I &quot;earned&quot; points on my MVR and, my insurance went up a little for
&gt; &gt; having to pay for both car repairs. :-(
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Sergio
&gt; 
&gt; This sort of thing used to bother me too. Then a lawyer friend of mine
&gt; explained that traffic court is not about finding out whose fault
&gt; something is or justice or anything that complex. It's a money making
&gt; operation. And when you go down there and plead innocent and try to
&gt; present your case to the judge and ask for a jury trial, you throw a big
&gt; monkey wrench into their money making operation. And they get pissed off
&gt; and you pay more for wasting their time. My advice is to just send in
&gt; your &quot;donation&quot; and avoid the humiliation of going to traffic court at
&gt; all cost. It's just a more elegant way of collecting money than, say,
&gt; when I was in Mexico and we were pulled over for &quot;too many people in the
&gt; car&quot; (4 I guess is too many) and were allowed to pay our fine on the
&gt; spot w/ a $20 bill.
&gt; 
&gt; Mike
&gt; 
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