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On Sat, 15 May 2004 23:59:21 +0100
George Carless <kafka at antichri.st> wrote:
> Besides all other considerations, the decision to use CSS/xhtml goes way
> beyond what's "easier on the browser": it amounts to a philosophical and a
> pragmatic choice to separate layout from content, for a variety of
> reasons. Of course some (many?) people do abuse css, but there is
> nonetheless a great deal to be said for an approach that says "let's mark
> content up by describing what it IS, rather than what it 'looks like', so
> that we can then apply a different 'look' to it according to the display
> medium". In a very simple example, I often use different stylesheets for
> print than I do for web browsers, so that when a user prints out a web
> page they are presented with something that is better suited to that
> particular medium: there's no point in printing out things like dynamic
> menus or whatnot when what a user generally *wants* is the "main content,"
> and so I print out just that, formatted for print, with perhaps some
> additional contact information or whatnot that wouldn't appear in the
> browser. In the intranet/extranet/internet scenario, CSS would allow the
> precise same content to be displayed in each case with just a different
> stylesheet applied to present that content in the manner appropriate to
> the site in question.
>
> Only the inexperienced would argue that the css approach adds clutter: all
> those of us who have seen the light would tell you that css almost always
> radically reduces the quantity of extraneous tags, and further ensures
> that what code *is* there has a precise purpose, marking up the content
> that it describes. Tables for layout are a nasty hack, and even the
> layperson will generally find a pure css-based layout to be far more
> elegant and legible than they will any table-based mess. And this is
> without even considering issues like accessibility (suitability for
> screen readers etc.), which is an area where tables can *really* start
> messing things up...
>
> Yes, getting to grips with css for design can be tricky. And yes, the
> cross-browser issues can be a pain. I'm still working to complete
> compliance myself for various sites (mainly because my boss still doesn't
> really 'get it'..), but I've still been able to develop a number of
> complex designs that render 'correctly' for different browsers and that,
> via css, can be quickly and easily transformed on a whim.
>
> --George
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