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     DSsmtp.bellsouth.net

Of course, if you have authority on someone else's system, you could
set up a SSH encrypted pipe between TCP port 25 on your system and
theirs and completely bypass HellSouth.  I've done this to get around
ISP's braindamaged networks.

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On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 12:58:49PM -0400, Chuck Huber wrote:
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; Well... The Hellsouth saga will soon be over.
&gt; 
&gt; &lt;vent&gt;
&gt; I knew when I signed up for their service I'd be sorry.  And I am.
&gt; Why'd I do it?  Well, I've been on Speed Factory forever. Upon
&gt; relocation to the mountains of North Carolina, I found that HellSouth
&gt; was the only company to offer DSL service in my area.  Hence, I
&gt; chose them from a field of 1 company - what a choice.
&gt; 
&gt; I took a while, but I learned that outbound connections to port
&gt; 25 are blocked.  Thanks HellSouth.  So I reconfigured sendmail
&gt; to send everything through their mail server only to find out that
&gt; relaying was not allowed from the IP address I was using. The 550
&gt; error also stated that the solution was to connect from the
&gt; HellSouth Internet Service.  Duh... what did they think I was using?
&gt; 
&gt; Then there's this authentication thing.  Their stated purpose was
&gt; &quot;to reduce junk e-mail or 'spam' on the Internet.&quot;
&gt; 
&gt; So... I'm now stuck not being able to send mail.  After about 30
&gt; hours of conversations with their tech non-support, I finally was
&gt; able to talk to a supervisor who admitted that they block port 25,
&gt; something that, of course, was not disclosed when I signed up, and
&gt; that they didn't allow relaying of emails through their mail server.
&gt; To correct the problem, I would have to sign up for Business DSL, a
&gt; prerequisite of which was a Business phone line.
&gt; 
&gt; Granted, I'm not the Winbloze user with whom they're so accustomed
&gt; to speaking.  I host my own domain (so mail appears to be from
&gt; cehuber.org) and an family email list (about 30 or so users - all kin).
&gt; 
&gt; All in all, I found that HellSouth tech-nonsupport team doesn't even
&gt; know how to speak English.  One technician (they really shouldn't
&gt; call themselves technicians) asked me if I wanted him to &quot;axe&quot; his
&gt; supervisor to get an answer - a vernacular prevalent in the black
&gt; community.  Another tech said &quot;try [this] and if that don't work ...&quot;,
&gt; yet another abuse of the language.  Not one person was knowledgeable,
&gt; they seemed to be just following scripts - kinda like memorizing
&gt; phonemes of lyrics to a song written in a foreign language. (I recall
&gt; a Star Trek episode that said something like &quot;... saying 'Juliet on
&gt; the balcony' - without having read the play, it's meaningless.&quot;
&gt; 
&gt; &lt;/vent&gt;
&gt; 
&gt; Well... to end the ISP nightmare once and for all, I'm renting an
&gt; unmanaged server somewhere up in Virginia.  It has Red Hat Fedora
&gt; installed on it and WebMin.
&gt; 
&gt; The problem I'm facing right now it trying to configure sendmail
&gt; to handle virtual email domains.  On my system at home, I've been
&gt; using linuxconf to do this quite easily.  (As bad as linuxconf is
&gt; in other areas, it was able to handle this one function quite
&gt; efficiently.)
&gt; 
&gt; Well linuxconf hasn't been around since RH 8.0 (I think), and WebMin
&gt; seems to fall short of the functionality I found in linuxconf.
&gt; 
&gt; Can anyone give me some pointers as to how to setup virtual email
&gt; domains with these tools?  Alternatively, I can install a different
&gt; MTA that has such functionality.
&gt; 
&gt; One thing I considered doing to bypass the blocked port 25 was to
&gt; use iptables to forward outbound connections to port 25 to an outside
&gt; host, then translate them back on the other end and forward them right
&gt; out.  I haven't explored that to finality - just considered it.
&gt; 
&gt; Thanks in advance to all,
&gt;     - Chuck
&gt; 
&gt; --
&gt; &quot;The purpose of encryption is to protect good people
&gt; from bad people, not to protect bad people from the government.&quot;
&gt;     -- Scott McNealy, CEO Sun Microsystems
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&gt;     -- Thomas Paine
&gt; &quot;The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution,
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&gt; defend them against all attacks.&quot;
&gt;     -- Samuel Adams
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